If you need a daisy chain to get your deal across the finish line, maybe this business isn’t for you. Real operators close with control, transparency, and confidence. The rest are just fueling confusion and killing trust in the market. Stop hiding behind chains and start taking ownership.

We work hard to build confidence with our clients and even harder to negotiate a deal.  Much less actually open escrow on our assignable contract.  We have been in the business a very long time and are extremely confident in our numbers.  We want full control of our assigned escrows, we like to keep everything clean and disclosed from start to finish.  Otherwise you don’t know what’s going on behind your back and we have been burned multiple times by not keeping control.

Let’s talk about the conversation NO ONE wants to have: The broken trust of the JV daisy chain.

Ever chased a deal, only to find out it’s been passed through 5 people, marked up $40K, and nobody knows who even controls the contract?

Yeah, same.

Here’s my truth:
I don’t do JV in the early stages.
I’m more open to collaboration after the paperwork is tight, numbers are clear, and I know what I’m handing off.

Why? Because real buyers want to know if the deal is direct and clean. Not passed through a telephone game of wholesalers.

🧨The Industry Is Sparking Debate Right Now:

Is wholesaling broken… or just evolving?

Some say daisy chains are killing trust.
Others argue it’s the new wave — fast-moving, networked, and collaborative.

But let’s get real — if everyone’s adding $5K–$15K on top of each other, it’s not a deal anymore.

EARLY JV PROS (when done right):

• Faster exposure
• Support with volume

EARLY JV CONS:

• Loss of control
• Deal gets messy
• Real buyers walk away

I’ll JV — but on the back end. Once the deal is tight, paperwork’s clean, and there’s a strategy.

Let’s call it what it is:
Daisy-chaining with no value add = pipeline poison, just my perspective

Everyone hates them but they will always be there.

Recently, I genuinely took some time to get to know some of these daisy chainers that would constantly call me about my deals. Turns out majority of all of them had the same story, they were somewhat new to real estate, had very little guidance, and learned daisy chaining from IG and tiktok hehe. All of them were tight on money and needed some extra cash quick, that’s why they think daisy chaining will work. After explaining the negative connotation of daisy chaining in the industry, and why everyone is hesitant to work with them. For the ones that genuinely opened up to me and were open minded I turned them into a simple dispo agent (calling god mode data) or birddog for my JV partnerships. 

Gave them a simple script and box buy of deals we work with and sent them off. So far I’ve had 3 of them generate around 10 deals for me. They are now on the path of learning wholesaling the right way, no more lying! Just generating business!

So next time a daisy chainer is trying to lock up your deal. You never know, you might be able to slot them in somewhere in your business where they can be successful.

I’ve been in the game long enough to see the best and worst of what wholesaling can be and daisy chains are hands-down one of the most damaging evolutions we’ve allowed to spiral.

Sure, a tight value chain where each person actually adds real value bringing a vetted buyer, solving a title issue, structuring the dispo creatively can work.

But that’s the exception, not the rule. Most chains are noise. No added value. Just layers of markup and confusion. If you’re not in control of the contract, not transparent about your role, and can’t answer questions, you’re not part of a team. You’re part of the problem.

This thread’s already heating up - love to see it. Let’s get some heavy hitters in here to weigh in.
 

​@Cory Boatright ​@Dispomoneymike ​@Sherman Ledesma ​@Peter Osmanski ​@Max Rigler ​@John Cleare ​@Ruben Jimenez you’ve all seen the good, the bad, and the messy when it comes to deal flow.

How are you navigating the daisy chain dynamic in today’s market? 
 

This convo i s a chance to reshape how we move in this game. Who else has seen both sides of the chain?

Daisy chains are killing deals and credibility. I’ve seen buyers walk the moment they sense five hands on one contract and I don’t blame them. If you don’t have control, you don’t have a deal. Period. I get the whole “more eyes, more exposure” argument, but if no one can answer basic questions or get on the phone with title, it’s just noise. We need more real players, less middleman madness.

Not going to beat a dead horse here but I feel like a lot of people in this discussion have made some great points around this idea: a daisy chain has to generate value to be worth it.  At the risk of oversimplifying, my thoughts on a quick “back of napkin math” formula for that value add:

(IDP) + (TVOM) > Wholesaler fee = possibly worth using a dispo shop

IF increased dispo price (IDP) + ease of sale expressed as time value of money with opportunity cost weighed (TVOM) is equal to or greater than the fee the dispo shop can justify, I think the dispo operation makes sense on certain deals. 

There’s a combination of more money in your pocket with less work that works. I think realistically this combination could be modeled on a bell curve decently well. 

On the left of the curve, wholesalers that have solid deals but little connection to buyers and little closing & sales experience may find value in leaving the close to a dispo shop. On the other end of the bell curve, wholesalers that are wheeling and dealing at scale likely have a unique ability to lock up deals and work with sellers and their time is not best spent searching for a highly curated list of end buyers paying closer to retail. Folks in the middle of the bell curve probably aren’t a great use case for dispo shops unless the dispo shop is just generating better offers or you can’t find a buyer. 

If a dispo shop does the following, it is likely worth it. If not, kick rocks. 
1) Get you the same amount of money and grant you time back and ease of closing 
2) Pay you more than another more bearish direct end buyer that is an InvestorLift Hawk and is already running direct mail, PPC, etc. 
3) A combination of both 
 

The assumptions above run on the idea that some folks in the dispo industry choose to live their instead of just starting there as a logical first place in off market real estate. I think the days of sloppily daisy chaining a deal to one buyer because you saw it first on InvestorLift are under siege. If you have a stable of trigger-pull ready investors that know how to behave, I think it’s a different story and some folks can offer that experience. 

I think there’s a price for bird dogs and a healthy amount of experienced bird dogging isn’t a bad thing if done respectfully and disclosed and it helps your business if you choose to go that route for dispo. If you won’t let the bird dogs be bird dogs, you don’t want to create such a disconnect that you are losing money if an InvestorLift post alone is not fully bridging the gap directly to retail buyers like your local MLS might. It’s a more well behaved buyer class here that knows the deal but we price that into offers and buyers should only be allowed to be so bearish.